North Dakota Fishing - North Dakota Hunting

Matt
Minn

Thursday October 24, 2002
08:19:26 PM

dogman,

I am not saying anything about SD because I can't stand to even think about SD. I certainly don't agree with what they have done with licenses or, more importantly, land access. The whole lottery thing is also insane. I am simply trying to state that once the ball is put in motion often there is no stopping it, and before you know it, ND only allows 4,000 non-residents.

By the way, I think your first post was a setup for your second post and I ain't buying it (spread em out between days next time and it isn't so obvious). You appear to be one of the few narrow-minded, short-sighted people in ND who do not see the HUGE financial opportunities your state's resources offer for your children. What is going to keep your children in ND as the agricultural economy continues to deteriorate? It's time for a new industry to refresh the economy and it's right there in front of you. It is not necessary to rape the land to reap those financial gains, but certainly don't kill the financial opportunity through a progressive discrimination process. You shouldn't just "have room" for guests...you should build them their own hotels. Heavily tax the income residents who try to lease their land receive for hunting and discourage that practice. Raise the licensing fees and hire more game wardens. There are many alternatives to deal with the these fears than to tell non-residents that eventually they may not be wanted at all (and that's really what I am afraid of here).

As for the money ND residents spend in MN, with all due respect to hard-working North Dakotans, I don't believe the 634,448 residents of ND (the 8th lowest per capita income in the U.S.) contribute a whole bunch to the MN economy. Minnesota (10th highest per capita income) has 7 times as many residents as ND...reciprocity DOES matter to ND.

To the delight of many readers, this will be my last post on this issue unless I feel compelled to answer questions posed directly to me. I would prefer to post future messages that meet the intent of this site - talking about the excellent hunting in ND. I feel I have insulted the creator of this site by perpetuating this discussion beyond its useful life, and I do apologize for that.

Marty
Grand Forks

Thursday October 24, 2002
07:58:30 PM

Allen, I see what you meant now, I guess I was the one confused. People always seem to get the state and the feds mixed up and someone is either getting credit or blame for something the other one did. No problem, I just interpreted your post wrong and wanted to make sure everyone was squared away.

Allen
Grand Forks

Thursday October 24, 2002
07:50:55 PM

Thanks Dogman, now I know I'm not alone and agree with ya 100%. You know, if the Minnesota legislature were ever stupid enough to pass apples and oranges reciprocity (and I think there's an outside chance they eventually will), my next vote would be for whoever in ND wanted to implement true reciprocity across the board. E.g., Mn residents pay the equivalent of Mn fines when caught speeding here, we tax property owned by Minnesotans at the rate and value of what it would be if it were across the Red River etc, etc. I'm all for non-residents hunting here in acceptable numbers, I don't have a preferential number but I know it needs to be left to ND to decide this, not Mn residents. One thing that is clear at this point, some of the Mn residents are really poor guests when they try to push their agenda on residents. It must be something in the water (heh heh). This could even be applied to other states, for example: I spent a week in Wisconsin at a state park this summer and had to pay considerable extra because I was a non-resident. I really didn't think that was fair since ND taxpayer support subsidizes most of our state parks and non-residents get the same services for the same a resident pays (not including our taxpayer support). Then again, you will notice that Wisconsin residents have wisely stayed as far away from this non-res issue as possible. Must be different water (heh heh).

Allen
grand Forks

Thursday October 24, 2002
07:36:26 PM

Marty, yes I do know that Bruce is a warden supervisor for NDGF, but I wanted to give credit to USF&W who I heard were in on the bust as well. I just thought that if Rick's brother was a NDGF employee he should recognize the name. That's all the comma meant, not a description of Mr Burkett's employer. I just don't know the names of the USF&W guys involved.

dogman
jamestown

Thursday October 24, 2002
03:25:24 PM

Matt, go throw your reciprocity crap in the garbage because you are going to be the loser. You are ignorant for even suggesting this because you obviously have not done your research. bottom line- It is cheaper for a MN resident to hunt ND than it is for a ND resident to hunt in MN. Look it up. What the %&*& do you know about our neighbors? Nothing. SD has a 4000 nonresident limit on waterfowl. I don't see you saying anything about that. If you did not get a nonresident waterfowl license in ND it is because you are lazy. NR licenses ran out the third week of the season. If you had your %&^$ together you could have gotten a lisence. go and cry to your legislators it will do you no good because they already know they have it pretty good over here. And so do most of your fellow residents. You have no right to dictate policy here. Just like Gov. Ventura told a ND resident that he has no say in wheather or not MN builds a new stadium or not. Just be happy you can still hunt here. It's people like you that anger ND residents and further create hardships for your fellow residents. read my previous post and you will see that I welcome nonresident hunters. but if your going to sit there and call us selfish and threaten us with economic hardships then I will not welcome you. Do your home work before you start threatening us here in ND with your pathetic reciprocity. MN residents will wind up paying more to hunt here and MN will lose more ND resident dollars. I am sure that will be a big hit in the legislature. Sorry to the rest of you that had to read this.

Scott McNamee
Grand Forks
scott@invoman.com
Thursday October 24, 2002
03:02:00 PM

Link to story about hunters taking a large number of ducks:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/772622/posts

dogman
jamestown

Thursday October 24, 2002
02:44:57 PM

for cryin out loud what in the name of god is going on here. First of all nonresidents are welcome. We just have to control it a bit. this nonresident issue was started by the proponents against the cap to degrade residents and to create conflict between the two groups. Yes there are some people who do not like nonresidents just as there are in any state. those people you can't even dialog with. so lets just forget them and all the slobs no matter where they are from and lets work with the civil people. there are more ND residents busted for game infractions in ND than there are Nonresidents so lets not stereotype. I honestly believe the vast majority of ND residents do not feel animosity toward any nonresident because the vast majority understand that they are guests and behave as such. I will welcome any nonresident who follows the rules, written and unwritten. And who conduct themselves in a way that is both courtious and respectful towards our state. I refuse to believe that residents of this great state are rude and and unacomidating. We have room for guests. I have been just about everywhere in the US and many other countries and I still hold the torch that says we are the best people you can find anywhere. think about it. Neighbors helping neighbors on the farms and in towns. You do not see that amount of comradery anywhere in the US.

Marty
Grand Forks

Thursday October 24, 2002
11:38:28 AM

Rick,

I don't know who your brother is, but the ND Game and Fish does not even have a game warden in the Medina area. Perhaps your brother works for the USFWS? We have wardens stationed in the SE corner of the state in Bismarck, Linton, Valley City, Jamestown, Lamoure, Wyndmere, and Fargo. Perhaps he is with the USFWS. I work for the NDGF dept also, and know the wardens who were in on this bust. This did happen and if you live in ND and are not aware of it, you must not ever listen to TV or the radio or read a newspaper. It has been really big news and has hit all forms of media. Also Allen, Bruce Burkett is a Game Warden Supervisor with the ND Game and Fish Department.

Andy Myers
Fairmont  Mn

Thursday October 24, 2002
11:02:53 AM

Boy Oh BOY is this a good year for duck hunting. At least it is for me. There are just thousands of ducks in southern minnesota on the sloughs and rivers. I have shot about 65 ducks this season but no geese.

Scott McNamee
Grand Forks
scott@invoman.com
Wednesday October 23, 2002
03:28:05 PM

All right,

Now this is getting out of hand. I've been watching/reading these posts and I'm SHOCKED. I mean SHOCKED!

The bickering, the flat-out lies...is enough to make anyone sick of this forum: Brett Favre is NOT presidential material!

We are not even in a Presidential Election year and we've got folks campaigning for 2004? Outrageous, I tell you. Outrageous!

Just kidding guys...relax. A little levity goes a long way.

Brooks
Mpls

Wednesday October 23, 2002
03:05:17 PM

Trevor, Apparantly, I wasn't very concise in my last post. I certainly wasn't contending that most ND farmers are wealthy landowners. Obviously that isn't the case. Quite honestly, my post was meant to pertain to pheasant hunting more than anything. I've never had a problem getting permission to hunt ducks in ND. Pheasants are different. Even my buddy in Devil's Lake(yes, that makes him a resident), can't get on much private land to hunt pheasants. So, in my humble opinion, I don't believe this is a resident vs. non-resident issue. It is more a problem of turning one of the greatest things we have, into a mere prostitution of our wildlife. I also believe you are mistaken in your belief that most farmers will let you hunt pheasants regardless of the time of day you ask permission. Even though you are living in Ohio, you can still vote for Brett Favre to be our next president. Brooks

Trevor
Ohio

Wednesday October 23, 2002
01:58:18 PM

Just a note about the farmers/land owners in ND. After you get about 65 miles past the ND/MN border, there are very few " big money, 'I don't need crop money to get by', farmers/ landowners." For the most part, a typical ND farmer works hard, risks his own money, an has to gamble on uncontrollable weather and crop prices to make a living. And like I stated in an earlier post, if you call most of them up at a decent time of day and you're polite, they will more often than not let you on to hunt.

By the way, our group of three ND hunters had a great time in ND last week.

Brooks
Mpls

Wednesday October 23, 2002
12:44:16 PM

I see there has been a sharp decline in factual/intellectual posts to this discussion. That is too bad. I rather enjoy discussing hunting and fishing issues with different individuals. But, as stated a few times now, there are slob hunters/fishermen in every state. That is a fact. An unfortunate fact, but a fact nonetheless. I fish Mille Lacs quite a bit, and yes, there are guys from MN that don't agree with the slot size for walleyes, and keep illegal fish. Personally, I think the slot is ridiculous, but I'm not willing to lose my license for 3 years to keep a couple 18 inch walleyes. My best friend, who happens to reside in Devil's Lake, shot lead through his old Berreta side-by-side until he bought a new gun a few years back. The issue here is with the big money, "I don't need crop money to get by", farmers/landowners. These guys want ND to be a huge, $300 a gun hunting ranch, similar to what most of South Dakota has become. I'd rather work my butt off in the walk-in land with a shot at a bird or two, than pay someone who'll GUARANTEE me a limit of birds. The rich get richer. The rest of us just work a little harder, and become better hunters with a bit more appreciation for our birds. We just need to be a little smarter when we pick our battles. I do have to agree with Viking on one thing, the Vikings really do suck. Brett Favre for President!!!! Brooks

Allen
Grand Forks

Wednesday October 23, 2002
11:36:48 AM

Rick, You point of idiots come from all over? Sure it's true and most people already knnow that.

But, if your brother hasn't heard about the three non-residents caught with 250-300 waterfowl at a convenience store in Carrington? Tell him to ask Bruce Burkett, the USFW crew out of that area, or to subscribe to a "major" ND newspaper. This is old news and I hope your brother hasn't heard about what's happening 45 miles north because he's too busy busting illegal hunters.

Rick
Brainerd

Wednesday October 23, 2002
10:53:00 AM

Mute point there viking. For a couple reasons.

1. My brother is a game warden in the Medina area and after reading your comments I called him. he knew nothing about the non-resident hunters caught with 250-350 ducks.

2. Last winter 4 guys from ND were ice fishing and were caught on Mille Lacs with over 100 walleye!

Keep it up ND residents......

viking
new rockford

Wednesday October 23, 2002
06:47:08 AM

Hey brainerd, rick, in answer to your response to my post. No, I have never fished in Minnesota nor do I ever intend to. I have all the good hunting and fishing here in ND. If you want to rid Minnesota of the ND people, please do, then they can spend some money at home. As far as the Vikings, any high school team can beat them right now. I dont think you will see to many ND fans there the rest of this season. Now back to the non resident issue. The game wardens in the central part of ND just caught 3 non resident hunters with 250-350 ducks. They were only suppose to have 36. That fine should pay the game wardens wages for awhile. Keep it up non residents, your just digging your own grave.